without proper authorization. if it wasn't -- if you think about this, for the street artists themselves to put this in a political vein, there wouldn't be a program that we're talking about today, they would still be individually running around the city, training to maintain and sell their stuff. so putting that in perspective, it's important to note that these are street artists when are making their living, selling work that they have done by themselves. and in that respect, these are more entrepreneurial folks who are -- some of them, it's their entire life support. they don't have any other jobs. it's important to note, though, that from the interviews and responses we have, there is very little interest, on the part of the commissioners themselves, of the arts commission, to serve on the street artists subcommittee.